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- Secteur d'activité : Art/artisanat
- Taille de l'entreprise : 51–200 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus d'un an
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Provenance de l'avis
pascal leonet
Avantages
extraction des donnees filtres intuitifs et ergonomie top
Inconvénients
beug et probleme de traduction des items anglais francais

- Secteur d'activité : Télécommunications
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant 6 à 12 mois
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Provenance de l'avis
Great CRM for Gmail users
Avantages
It works as a plug-in for Gmail. That sounds odd at first, but it actually works great assuming most of your sales activity happens by email - because you can add contacts, companies and opportunities (and access all email history with those contacts) with just a few clicks.
Inconvénients
The sidebar takes up too much space when working on a laptop with a small screen (so I turn it off).
Alternatives envisagées
PipedrivePourquoi choisir Copper
Recommendation of a friend.Logiciel antérieur
TrelloPourquoi passer à Copper
Gmail integrationRéponse de Copper
Love this feedback, Andrew. Really helpful for us as we continue to evolve the product. Thanks!
- Secteur d'activité : Marketing et publicité
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus de deux ans
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Provenance de l'avis
Copper
Copper has cut down dramatically on administration data entry try which allows for our staff to communicate with our prospects more frequently, which in return is bringing in more business for the company.
Avantages
Copper has helped our company tremendously in regarding to time spent updating our CRM systems. We use to have to add all emails to the system, Copper automatically adds all the emails which has cut down on our administration time dramatically. It will also pull contact information for the internet, which also helps cut down time so the time can be spent elsewhere. Another favorite feature is being able to view the contact file in gmail when an email from that specific person comes in.
Inconvénients
We wish that when adding notes into copper, there was more flexibility in regards to changing the color of the font or being able to highlight something within the note. Also, sometimes we have an individual in the system with more than one company but Copper doesn't allow you to add duplicate emails to multiple files.
Alternatives envisagées
Salesforce Sales CloudPourquoi choisir Copper
If you have ever used ACT, you will understand why.Logiciel antérieur
Act!Réponse de Copper
Greatly appreciate the feedback, Jaimee!
Les meilleures alternatives à Copper
- Secteur d'activité : Textile
- Taille de l'entreprise : 1 001–5 000 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant 6 à 12 mois
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Provenance de l'avis
A must-have CRM tool
Copper has been a very useful tool for our company as it has allowed us to have a more efficient and organized customer follow-up, which has resulted in increased productivity and better collaboration among my team.
Avantages
The best thing about Copper is its seamless integration with Gmail email. I can automatically add emailing contacts to my account and see the entire history of past interactions with a customer in one place. I also love how I can add notes and reminders to each contact to follow up in a timely manner.
Inconvénients
sometimes the search for contacts can be a bit slow. However, this is not a big problem and does not significantly affect the overall user experience.
- Secteur d'activité : Logiciels
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant 6 à 12 mois
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Provenance de l'avis
Too Glitchy and Poor Support.
Let me be clear, this product has great potential, and is almost good enough. But after multiple bad experiences with support, and an apparently stagnated development calendar, and very serious glitches, I suggest people stay away for a few years till this software can grow up a little.
Avantages
What I like is the idea. This should be a great software. But the key features it lacks and the DISMAL support team make it not worth the money.
Inconvénients
1. Support is terrible. They use zendesk for their support and the people reading the support tickets seem to struggle with helping. Here are a few examples:
a: We changed our domain name. All we needed to do was update our usernames to have the new domain on them. THEY COULD NOT DO THIS. I had to request this change - literally just updating our email addresses - 3 TIMES before somebody finally said it could be done. The first two people just said that it was impossible. The third person said it was do-able but it required adding additional users, and deleting old users, which unassigned all the work.
Is it that hard to update a database?
b. When one user made changes to the opportunity stages, we lost several opportunities even though the software claimed that opportunities would just be moved to adjacent stages. What's the point of sales software that loses track of opportunities?? When I reached out to support they said: "Unfortunately, there is no way for us to recover any deleted records in your account if this is already been accidentally or intentionally deleted by someone. [in other words, this is all your fault, not ours] We recommend exporting your opportunities/records weekly so you have a fresh back up when you need." Again, what's the point of using your software if we are supposed to keep the data on our side and normal use of your software causes it to break? Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
2. Reporting is totally sales focused and doesn't help at all with regular task and project management. There is no way to see which team members are doing their work, or to generate reports on average time spent on tasks. Some valuable KPI data is not available in the sales related reports, either. Like how about we get a report to show the average time to close a lead? There is so much valuable data that we simply can't access.
3. Messy messy messy. The screen is just jammed packed with data, much of it useless, and it's difficult to find the data you want. Accordions inside of tabs inside of pop-ups? Really? Is that the best way to access the tasks associated with a client? It shouldn't take 3-4 clicks to get to a teeny tiny truncated accordion window of information. We should be able to see and sort through data related to a client within the main window. Bad design.
- Secteur d'activité : Biotechnologie
- Taille de l'entreprise : 5 001–10 000 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus d'un an
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Provenance de l'avis
Easy-to-use CRM
Copper works amazingly well for small & mid-size business organizations using Google Workplace, Gmail & other Google apps.It is a strong CRM solution which is simple & logical to use. Recording & accessing sales data is largely simplified with Copper. You get the freedom to integrate extensions/ add-ons from different vendors/ customers & log sales data in one place. The interface is easy-to understand and use, Copper offers a handy sidebar to search for tasks, track emails, business opportunities, prospective leads and companies.
Avantages
The best feature of Copper is that it adapts the look & feel of Google apps. Being a regular user of Google Workplace & Gmail, it has resolved many of our concerns. Copper integrates directly into Gmail so we don't have to leave our inbox every time to seek its access. This helps us in saving time and getting more work done. Additionally, Copper is highly incremental in organizing data with least time and effort. It offers an excellent import feature for the mass upload of our client data not just from MS Excel but also from the other platforms like Salesforce & LinkedIn. Copper serves as a personal assistant for suggesting potential leads.
Inconvénients
Copper goes dysfunctional at times while working with the Google apps. Importing data from other sources is a tedious and time-taking task all together. Loading time lags and search errors are frequent. Sometimes, extracting the relevant data is irksome via filters and it tends to impede our reporting process in the organization.
- Secteur d'activité : Services juridiques
- Taille de l'entreprise : 11–50 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus de deux ans
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Provenance de l'avis
Amazing CRM!
Overall very happy with this software. Didn’t need any training at all as it’s very intuitive and easy to work with.
Avantages
It is very user friendly, loads quickly and can be used on the go. I love that there’s an app that works smoothly on my iPhone and iPad. This makes us super easy to work on the go or to be able to access info when away from the office. I also love the copper extension that allows me to see if my clients have opened up our emails (it lists each date and time it was opened)
Inconvénients
The only issue I have is that the Copper extension (not the software itself) sometimes marks an email as being read if I open it to link it to an opportunity. Not a big deal, I can usually rule out the “read” notification right after the email was sent because I know it was me. Any other reads are ones our customers triggered when they opened the email.
I also wish that the mobile app allowed you to view the customers numbers without having to select the “phone” or “call” option.
- Secteur d'activité : Matériaux de construction
- Taille de l'entreprise : 51–200 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus de deux ans
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Provenance de l'avis
Not the standard CRM / Project Tracking
We use Copper to manager our existing customers. We do not add new customers often, just account management really. We also use it to track commercial projects. It's two completely different uses. We use Opportunities as commercial projects. It would be nice if People/Companies could be segmented as different types with different visible fields. We group a lot of fields and have to toggle open/close based on the type of person being entered.
Avantages
Our company uses the Google Suite of apps so integration with our current setup was extremely easy. We had a single implementation person assigned to our account and she was extremely helpful and responsive. Also the customization options were very useful.
Inconvénients
The canned reports were not useful to us. We had to build our own through Google Analytics. However the Copper team have recently been upgrading their reports, with the ability to create custom reports now. It's much better.
Alternatives envisagées
Dynamics 365Pourquoi passer à Copper
The integration with Google is what sold it to us.- Secteur d'activité : Marketing et publicité
- Taille de l'entreprise : 11–50 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus de deux ans
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Provenance de l'avis
Copper CRM is Way Better than other CRM software I've tried -- and I've tried many.
With me now using Copper CRM, I've found that I can make about 20% more connections during a day because the software is so logically laid out and easy to use. It keeps all the information I need right where it would logically be located. So Copper has saved me time and made me more productive -- and it surprised me.
Avantages
Copper is well designed, and very easy to use. It is logical and well laid out. I've tested 7 other products before Copper and they all were too cumbersome and hard to run.
Inconvénients
I don't like having to retype the same address information into the program for a "Person" who I am Adding to a Company that already has that address information in it. There should be a pop-up that asks "Use same address as "Company Name?"
- Secteur d'activité : Services et technologies de l'information
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus d'un an
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Provenance de l'avis
Operations Coordinator Opinion
We had a very good experience but we quit using it because of the price. It was too much for our needs. Though the features were amazing to have.
Avantages
The integration with gmail is great. In our company we use google accounts, so using Copper extension; the CRM automatically update your contacts with the emails you send. It is very easy to maintain the leads updated.
Inconvénients
The pricing was quite expensive. The basic plan is not good enough so you need at least the mid tier plan which may be expensive if you don't want to expend too much money. Sometimes they have discounts but they only last a few months.
- Secteur d'activité : Santé, bien-être et fitness
- Taille de l'entreprise : 11–50 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus d'un an
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Provenance de l'avis
Fabulous CRM product for Gmail users
Easy to trial product. Sales support team was very helpful. Not too pushy.
Software has exceed my expectations.
Avantages
Easy to set up and use, great UI. The tight integration with Gmail is really the killer feature for us.
Inconvénients
If you accidentally delete records they cannot be recovered. Not good if you accidentally delete all your contacts and have not done a manual back up ..
- Secteur d'activité : Art/artisanat
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus d'un an
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Provenance de l'avis
Copper is helping me keep track of my customers
Overall it has been helpful to keep track of my contacts. I wish that there were more features for the lower price point, like marketing and email features.
Avantages
I like that it syncs to my Gmail and automatically goes back through 1 year of communication to add all those emails to my connections with my contacts. The Gmail extension makes it super easy to add new contacts to my CRM and keep track of our conversations. It also makes it easy to keep track of leads and opportunities and what stage they are at. The Task function is nice how it adds to-do items to my calendar and sends me reminders. That is helpful so I don't forget to do things daily.
Inconvénients
It's pretty expensive for only one user and many of the best features of it are only available for the higher pay level. Also, it's doable to use from Gmail on a phone but not easy. I wish the app extension worked better.
Pourquoi choisir Copper
Mailchimp was really just my email list and I couldn't use it as a proper CRM to keep track of leads and projects, etc.Pourquoi passer à Copper
Syncing to gmail automatically.- Secteur d'activité : Biens de consommation
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus de deux ans
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Provenance de l'avis
Great interface and easy to integrate with other software
Avantages
The UI is very easy to use and I like the fact that it tracks emails and you can see when customers open the emails. I like that you can log notes and also that it integrates with PandaDoc and MailChimp.
Inconvénients
I feel like the speed of the sync could be improved.
Alternatives envisagées
Salesforce Sales CloudPourquoi passer à Copper
Copper (at the time Prosperworks) synced with GSuite and had a friendly UI.- Secteur d'activité : Formation professionnelle et coaching
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus de deux ans
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Provenance de l'avis
Hooked in by Gmail integration, Pushed Away by Lack of Features
The icing on the cake for us with Copper (which had an easier to remember name when it was called Prosperworks), was that we decided to cancel and reached out about ending our contract. Since we did it after the end of the 2nd year of our contract, we were now committed for a 3rd year. We had to remember to do so a month in advance of the end of our 1 year. Now, anyone who is in SaaS knows that this is insane. This is a self-setup system (I may have spoken to a person once). The only reason to do this is to take advantage of your customers. This is a terrible practice and I wish we had never made the mistake of engaging with them.
Avantages
We embraced Copper even though it was a little pricey for a small business and required us to commit to a year. Our main reason for using it is that everyone in the company has to at some points be a salesperson and we thought that a tool built for Gmail would be the best option.
Inconvénients
When we started to seriously use the software for more than big contracts and started to reach out to a lot of prospects, the holes in the system were glaring. There are a ton of small things that just drove us crazy. We ended with tons of duplicates. To eliminate them you have to export to Excel, etc. Not fun and not realistic. Any mistakes during data imports caused all sorts of data problems. There is no automating of drip email campaigns. The navigation is so confusing. We spent a lot of time figuring out where we clicked to get to a particular screen and how to replicate it. I found myself being super careful to do the exact same thing every time because it shows leads, contacts, accounts and opportunities in an alternating left-right fashion that is just confusing. The absolute biggest is that there are no reports that give you any insights into how your email is performing, which is odd because they've written blog posts on the importance of doing so. All you can see is a running list of who opened your email or didn't. It is like looking at a terminal window for error messages.
Réponse de Copper
Hi Timothy, thanks for the thorough review. We're very sorry about the experience you've had with our team in the past, and we're doing everything we can to make things right.
We understand Emilia from our team reached out and was able to connect with you to better understand where we could better improve and address the hurdles you've run into.
We're happy to hear the lines of communication were open and extend that offer to you beyond Emilia's initial outreach. Thanks again.
- Secteur d'activité : Matériaux de construction
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus d'un an
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Provenance de l'avis
Copper for Small Business
I like Copper, it is easy to use and integrated with Gmail. Cloud base allows use any place in the world. Accounts and analysts (people who do nothing but watch what I do) love looking at my copper but hate putting information in system.
Avantages
1. Organizes leads, people, and anything for sales.
2. sends reminder emails about presentation or phone call.
3. cloud based, can be done anywhere
4. Task managment
5. easy input with enough infomration on clients. Sometimes find info on leads online.
Inconvénients
1. Can't same attachments for emails.
2. Does not integrate with LinkedIn (App for LinkedIn mixing is terrible).
3. Not enough time to use because focoused on other things for small busines.
Alternatives envisagées
Salesforce Sales CloudPourquoi choisir Copper
IT person at company wanted to switch.Logiciel antérieur
QuickBooks Time
- Secteur d'activité : Assurance
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus de deux ans
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Provenance de l'avis
Great CRM for Gmail Users
Great company with an excellent support team always available. Offer monthly training and update webinars as well.
Avantages
Love this CRM as it integrates easily with Gmail. Good ways to customize the pipelines and customer management options.
Inconvénients
Does take some time to set everything up and need to add on a few features to have it customize the way you want.
Alternatives envisagées
Salesforce Sales CloudPourquoi choisir Copper
Company was growing and needed a better CRMLogiciel antérieur
FreshdeskPourquoi passer à Copper
Gmail integration and cost.Réponse de Copper
Thank you for the kind words, Drew. Taking into consideration your cons for the product and see how we can work to make it better. Thanks again!
- Secteur d'activité : Politique publique
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé toutes les semaines pendant plus d'un an
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Provenance de l'avis
Has helped me get my marketing leads in order
Copper has made it easy for me to keep track of my leads. With it's basic functions anyone can use it without reading extensively through a guide or manual. I would recommend it to new businesses because of it's simplicity and inexpensiveness.
Avantages
I've used copper for a while now - it was called Prosperworks when I first started to use it. It was my first CRM and it has helped me get my marketing leads in order as well as showed me how to use a CRM. Since it has simple features it is easy to use and learn and once you get the hang of it you are able to understand bigger and more complex systems so I'd like to think of Copper as a gateway CRM. I love how it integrates with Gmail so that with just one click of a button on the side panel that shows up after you install the Chrome extension and you have the contact's information saved- which spares you the work of manually adding a contact to the platform. The filters are easy to use and the fields can be customized. They even have a "market place" where you are shown information on the contacts whom you've recently exchanged emails with and it gives you the option to save it to your list. The pricing is also reasonable, especially if your company is in its early stages.
Inconvénients
The thing that I dislike most about Copper is the field mapping that needs to get done prior to importing a list of leads via an Excel sheet. If there is one error or if it doesn't recognize the information within a cell then it wont import it and it will give you a pop up window with the option to correct it right then and there. I've found myself fighting with it plenty of times because it wont accept what I'm writing and then I would resort to canceling everything and just deleting that contact from the list to add it manually afterwards just to get the import feature to work.
Also it is such a chore to import these lists, you have to click on so many menu items to get to the import function.
- Secteur d'activité : Services financiers
- Taille de l'entreprise : 51–200 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus de deux ans
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Provenance de l'avis
A great CRM for a small to mid-sized company
Copper has been a great experience overall. Their Customer Success Managers are the most helpful, prompt and friendly people whenever there's a hiccup with Copper. The price per user is a bit expensive
Avantages
What I like most about Copper is its built-in connectivity to all things Google. Auto-logging calendared events, easily adding files to records from our Google Drive, using the Copper add-on to easily push data out to Google Sheets and then Google Data Studio...it's great.
Inconvénients
I believe Copper needs to focus on tightening up existing features before rolling out new features to compete with other platforms. There's a delicate balance between building new things and maintaining what already exists and I feel that sometimes their focus is too dedicated towards building new.
- Secteur d'activité : Vétérinaire
- Taille de l'entreprise : 11–50 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus de deux ans
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Provenance de l'avis
Flexiable and Easy to Use
We've been able to create multiple ticketeing systems and pipelines to track ROI on new promotions and programs.
Avantages
The flexibility the software offers through customization and its automated workflows make both your job as an admin, and your everyday user's lives so much easier. It's also so incredibly easy to learn even on the higher technical end it isn't challenging.
Inconvénients
A number of the support articles are very outdated, especially in regards to the various integrations you can make, but reaching out to support usually fixes this.
Pourquoi choisir Copper
The old program was just not cutting it. It wasn't mobile-friendly or as customizable as Copper.Pourquoi passer à Copper
Customization, ease of use, and price- Secteur d'activité : Construction
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant 1 à 5 mois
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Provenance de l'avis
Not that Great
This is sold as limiting data entry, and it does a little. Maybe more once we get very familiar and are not trying to back track so that we can just use one system and not two while we get the other set up. I have to say that the OnBoarding that they provide is very good, and I like that they are able to provide that. I think some of the pitfalls are simply because it is web hosted and that comes with its own assortment of issues.
Avantages
I like that I (theoretically) can see emails that were sent to a client even if I was not included, it makes it more helpful when I am trying to find information, or figure out what the status of a client is. The automated tasks are useful if you do them right.
Inconvénients
It is constantly syncing and if you are a fast typer it will delete what you have written while it was syncing sometimes. That is incredibly frustrating. It's also not a totally intuitive system, it is obviously still in its early stages and therefore a little clunky. Also, if you are not an admin you have basically no power to add things that you might need in a sort of random situation. I have to go to my admin all the time to add things that I need, and maybe it is only for one client, but I need that field or option or automated task and I am not allowed to add it myself. You are unable to view more than one client in the small side bar of an "opportunity", and you are unable to see their names when just looking at the opportunity. Also the terms that they use are very salesy, and not very customizable or people oriented. The customization of how you view things also seems very limited. I like being able to view all my contacts by last name, that isn't really easily possible with this. It's just an adjustment but it would be a lot better for me if it was not something that I had to adjust to. It is web hosted so if you are not somewhere with wifi or data you can't access anything.
- Secteur d'activité : Médias en ligne
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus d'un an
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Provenance de l'avis
OK but Deceptive Contract/Billing Terms
Overall experience was OK until we needed more robust marketing automation, which Copper just couldn't do. Our biggest issue was with their deceptive and poorly worded TOS. They try to require you to cancel 30 days IN ADVANCE of the renewal date, but send no notification of that at that point, nor do the poorly written terms clearly state that. We attempted to cancel prior to the renewal date and were told it was too late. Find me another SaaS product that attempts to require 30-day advance notice of cancellation. Extremely poor customer service in this respect. They are not to be trusted and we would never recommend Copper to anyone.
Avantages
The GMail integration provided an effective way to manage and track interactions
Inconvénients
There is virtually not internal reporting functionality or ability to drill down within the available reports to understand what's happening.
Alternatives envisagées
PipedrivePourquoi passer à Copper
GMail Integration- Secteur d'activité : Conseil en gestion
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus d'un an
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Provenance de l'avis
Small business owner review of Copper/Prosperworks after using it one year
In general we like it. It does the basics, database of people and companies with contact info, notes, email tracking, bulk email sending. As I said we don't use the sales bits or the pipeline functionality (pipelines are tasks made up of a series of steps which can be assigned). We just use it as a basic CRM. It works with Google Contacts, GMail and Calendar so you become a Google baby. You do have to pay for G Suite, it allows you to use your own domain and emails which is fine. We looked at a lot of CRMs (both free and expensive) and found this worked very well for the price. They still lack a few odd little things though, no birthdays (although you can do that through Google Contacts + Calendar) and it default sort people by their first names. We upgraded to the medium version so we could add lots of user columns to people. Two thumbs up.
Avantages
Relatively inexpensive.
Straight forward to use.
Customer support is excellent.
It has extensions to a good pool of add-ons.
It uses pre-existing things like Google Calendar rather than re-inventing them.
Inconvénients
It sits on Google's G Suite so you have to buy that also.
It has extensions to things you have to pay for (versus free ones).
Has some quirks (below).
Has a lot of sales stuff (projections, staff etc) we do not need.
- Secteur d'activité : Logiciels
- Taille de l'entreprise : 51–200 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus d'un an
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Provenance de l'avis
Loved my experience
Copper was easy to use and get started with. Customer service was not good. Lots of minor feature additions would've made a big impact, but we also didn't get much support so many we just weren't optimizing the product.
Avantages
Copper was easy to use and get started with. It was great having it as a way to manage accounts and coordinate across my team and major step up from our previous tool.
Inconvénients
Customer service was not good. Lots of minor feature additions would've made a big impact, but we also didn't get much support so many we just weren't optimizing the product.

- Secteur d'activité : Services et technologies de l'information
- Taille de l'entreprise : 11–50 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus de deux ans
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Provenance de l'avis
Cooper aka Prosperworks is Love
Im using it daily for 10-12h, if they would improve their mobile version and implement a dark mode, so that i don’t get blind i would be gassed.
Avantages
Without Copper i would be loosing so much hair, that i would be bald of the amount of stress consumption i get to account all my Leads & Opportunities.
Inconvénients
nothing
Réponse de Copper
Preventing Mehdi from hair loss since 2017.
Looking to keep it that way for you for years to come!
- Secteur d'activité : Gestion de l'enseignement
- Taille de l'entreprise : 2–10 employés
- Logiciel utilisé tous les jours pendant plus d'un an
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Provenance de l'avis
Great CRM and very easy to use
Overall very happy with it. Need to make sure to use it to its full capacity.
Price per user is a bit high I would say but would recommend to everyone I speak too.
Avantages
The ease of use and the seamless integration with Gmail.
Inconvénients
I think the calendar function in combination with tasks can be improved a little with maybe colours and stuf, but maybe its already possible though, im not very technical so other than that not much!
I wanted to say send documents with the email but you actually did upgrade that so im happy!